In ‘What chookwatchers believe • 1’ we looked at the confession the CWs make and weighed it up against standard statements of belief.

We found that they have based their confession on what appears to be a conspiracy theory and fundamentally ignored any substantive statement of belief apart from acknowledging ‘The Barmen Confession’ which was a bold statement made by German Christian activists during WW2 and specific to that era and their defence of Christianity against fascist Germany.

So let’s take a closer look at what the chookwatchers [CWs] confess in their introduction to their ‘What We believe‘ page. Here is a screen grab from their actual page…


(screen grab 14/04/15)

Notice the emblem used by the CWs with a crossed out swastika over a flaming cross.

There is, as far as the CWs’ strategic narrative is concerned, a significance to using this emblem, but, considering this is their ‘What We Believe‘ page, it is another example of the CWs placing their political agenda above even an orthodox or Bible-based statement of belief. We’ll take a closer look at their choice of emblem later in the post.

But, for now, let’s break the quite unorthodox introductory statement down and see what the CWs are confessing.

Intro: ‘The church is living in very dangerous times’.

Well when wasn’t the Church living in dangerous times? Every era, since Christ, has been dangerous for the Church for one reason or another. Christians have been martyred and persecuted throughout history by various worldly systems and religious regimes. We are told clearly in scripture that believers can expect persecution, suffering and tribulation in the world. That is why we are called overcomers. ‘This is what overcomes the world, even our faith’.

The Bible tells us that life will continue to be dangerous for Christians, and, therefore, the Church. Jesus said we could expect there to be ‘wars and rumours of wars’. There will be pestilence, plague and any number of threats and problems on the earth. These, he said, are signs of the times, and the beginnings of troubles. Therefore, there is more to come.

He told us not to be anxious about these things. He said there would be tribulation in the world. In fact he told us to be of good cheer because he has overcome the world. What can the world do? Kill the body? Only God can destroy the soul, and our souls, as believers, belong to Him. To live is Christ; to die is gain.

But why do the CWs say we are living in dangerous times?

1. ‘[The world] demands the church to not “endanger” the culture/community/nation’s “existence or offend the moral and ethical sense” of people’

What does this even mean? Anyone? Can you fathom what this sentence is actually saying? Is this the CWs’ confession?

Is a reference to God anywhere in the CWs’ statement of belief? Not so far. Usually God is the starting point for a statement of belief – a reference to the Godhead, followed by acknowledgement of the infallibility of God’s Word. I’ve never known the world to feature up front in a statement of belief.

I would like to analyse this sentence but it makes utterly no reasonable sense whatsoever. It’s just a poorly constructed sentence with no perceivable meaning.

How does one ‘offend the moral and ethical sense’ of people? What is the ‘moral and ethical sense’ of anything?

2. ‘[The world] expects the church to offer a “positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession”.

Anyone have any idea what this is saying? Again, this sentence simply doesn’t make sense however many times you read it or attempt to work it out. It’s marginally more understandable than the first sentence, but still takes us nowhere in particular.

Remember, this is the CWs’ page on ‘What We Believe‘. So far, there is no way to know what they believe. Perhaps we can talk about the part which refers to ‘positive Christianity’ and ‘confession’.

What should the Church be confessing? Surely the Church and all its people, under Christ, are confessing their faith in God.

Hebrews 10:19-23 Then, brothers, having confidence for the entering of the Holy of Holies by the blood of Jesus, which He consecrated for us, a new and living way through the veil; that is, His flesh; and having a Great Priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, our hearts having been sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our body having been washed in pure water; let us hold fast the confession of the hope without yielding, for He who has promised is faithful.

Is a confession of hope of eternal life through Christ a positive or negative confession?

Is confidence for the entering of the Holy of Holies by the blood of Jesus a positive or negative confession, do you think?

Is full assurance of faith positive or negative? Is the confession of a heart sprinkled from an evil conscience a positive or negative confession?

Is there such a thing as a positive or negative confession, or is it simply a confession, a declaration of what we know to be true through faith in Jesus?

Isn’t it simply a confession of truth – the profession of the reality of our relationship with Christ and the great deliverance he has won for those who believe. Is faith positive or negative?

Are the CWs proposing a negative Christianity, perhaps, as a opposed to a positive Christianity?

Isn’t promoting and declaring a positive Christianity a confession in itself, and, therefore, a confession the Church binds itself to? Isn’t a confession a binding testimony of belief?

Again, the CWs’ statement at [2] doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

3. [The world] expects the church to embrace anti-Semitic beliefs’.

It does? Where? What is the evidence of this? What are anti-Semitic beliefs?

What does the world have to do with what the Church considers to be its role with Israel, or Jewish people?

The Pentecostal church, for sure, is highly supportive of Israel, and is keen to support Israel’s right to existence.

It is actually the Pentecostal church that the CWs are mostly antagonistic towards, especially the Australian Pentecostal movements. Yet, Pentecostal churches support Israel, pray for Israel, stand with Israel. By opposing Pentecostal churches the CWs oppose Pentecostal Congregations’ determination to stand with Israel.

Does this antagonism towards Pentecostal ministries imply, then, that the CWs are, by their rejection of Pentecostal support of Israel, showing signs of anti-semitism by their own antipathy?

I’m sure that is not their intention, but what else could their statement possibly mean?

The lack of clarity in their introductory confession is extraordinary considering the importance of getting your statement of belief right. All credibility stems from what we belief and confess.

4. [The world] wants to convince us “that a lasting recovery … come[s] about from within on the pinciple [sic]: the common good before the individual good.”

Anyone? Can you work out what this statement means? Goodness, it’s hard to analyse something that doesn’t make sense.

This is merely an abstract phrase going nowhere with no qualification, meaning or basis in fact.

The common good

What do the CWs mean by ‘the common good before the individual good’?

If the common good refers to all individuals as a group then surely the common good embraces the individual good and both are satisfied.

Should the individual good be exclusive of the common good? How does this work? If the individual good of every single person is taken care of, then surely the common good kicks in at some point, so that each and every individual in the commonwealth is consequently taken care of.

Unless you are proposing that the individual good of one person is removed from the good of all others, but this doesn’t fit with clearly specified Biblical principles which apply to all.

So what are the CWs actually saying? Beats me!


I’m not actually trying to be rude, but, given the CWs’ proposed purpose of declaring their statement of belief, these sentences are a confused jumble of words. I’m trying to see what the CWs believe, but there is no understandable structure to their phrases.

Would a new believer reading this page have clue about what the CWs are saying? Surely it would confuse them, or misdirect them.

A statement of beliefs should be simple and to the point, and totally focused on our understanding of God, including such things as His character, His nature, His Deity and His works, how He delivers us from sin, and saves us, and what our hope is in Christ, from a purely scriptural basis.

I know this – God is not the author of confusion.

The tell-tale emblem

The emblem at the start of the page, with the crossed out swastika over the burning cross is a tell-tale indication of what the CWs are trying to achieve with their statement of belief. They are establishing their strategic narrative which requires that their readers accept the CWs’ claims that modern Pentecostal ministries are founded on fascist principles. It is a flawed argument based on immature claims.

The CWs’ ‘What We Believe‘ page is nothing more than a political agenda.

If this is what they believe, then they have removed themselves from orthodox statements of belief and concocted a political device which reveals their actual modus operandi.