It’s been quiet here for a while, I know. Frankly, there’s been nothing in the chatter-rooms of the polemicists seriously worth reporting. Churchwatchcentral, for instance, has been all NAR-NAR-NAR for months.
They, like many of their cohorts, have sustained the usual blah-blah attempts at maintaining their NAR conspiracy theory as fact. Let them. It keeps them amused and takes them off track – so far, in fact, that they’ve begun vanishing into the distance.
Comedic polemical highlights
So there’s just a couple of issues that stand out from the dross.
Seth Dunn at Pulpit & Pen has somewhat shown himself to be a chauvinist bore by attacking Beth Moore to such an extent that he received columns of condemnation for his rudeness and unchristian behaviour. He must have regretted opening up the comments section through ‘Discus’, because he has subsequently shut it down. The truth hurts.
Rather than apologising after copping so much indignation from commenters, including many from his own Reformed collegiate, he then tried to qualify his objectionable attacks on Moore by saying others were equally scathing, and again the comments section started to slam his attitude, so he shut that down too.
Now you can only comment via Facebook comments. Most of the post-censure responses continue scolding him for his juvenile remarks.
He actually said to Beth Moore, ‘I detest you!’ What is someone who claims to be a Christian man doing detesting anyone, we ask?
And what was Beth doing to upset him so? She was, in an open letter to Southern Baptists, talking about the way in which some male ministers disrespect female ministers, even though the women are reaching out to other women, not men.
Beth Moore’s ministry to women has given her a platform that seems to have been somewhat despised by some men, for whatever reason. She is a Southern Baptist minister addressing an issue with a few, not all, male Southern Baptist ministers in her letter, some of which says…
I accepted the peculiarities accompanying female leadership in a conservative Christian world because I chose to believe that, whether or not some of the actions and attitudes seemed godly to me, they were rooted in deep convictions based on passages from 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14.
Then early October 2016 surfaced attitudes among some key Christian leaders that smacked of misogyny, objectification and astonishing disesteem of women and it spread like wildfire. It was just the beginning. I came face to face with one of the most demoralizing realizations of my adult life: Scripture was not the reason for the colossal disregard and disrespect of women among many of these men. It was only the excuse. Sin was the reason. Ungodliness.
This is where I cry foul and not for my own sake. Most of my life is behind me. I do so for sake of my gender, for the sake of our sisters in Christ and for the sake of other female leaders who will be faced with similar challenges. I do so for the sake of my brothers because Christlikeness is at stake and many of you are in positions to foster Christlikeness in your sons and in the men under your influence. The dignity with which Christ treated women in the Gospels is fiercely beautiful and it was not conditional upon their understanding their place.
It would be helpful to read the rest of the open letter.
The bottom line is that Dunn proved her correct in his case in a spectacular way. Here’s what he had to say about the second paragraph above…
I would like to chastize these men for giving you the silent treatment. You should have been roundly and loudly rebuked by each and every one of them. I guess they tolerated you because, like Harvey Weinstein, you could draw money. They just looked past the bad parts.
Ouch! Does he completely miss what she is pointing out, or what? That was quite mild compared to the rest of his comments. He goes on…
You are successful in a market that demands a horrible Bible-study product and is readily supplied with it. I detest you. Men and women alike who appreciate biblical truth detest you. You scoff at the seminarians who “talked down” to you. Maybe if you didn’t drop out of seminary (like Perry Noble) you would understand why they think you are so awful. Here is a hint, it is not because you are a woman. It is because you are awful.
No, Seth, she wasn’t ‘scoffing’ at anyone. She was pointing out how it looks from a woman’s perspective when men treat them in a certain way.
Seth attacks her letter, but claims it’s not because she’s a woman. Did he actually read what she had to say? Maybe it would help to have a woman read the letter to him a few times over and explain it until he gets it.
Seth also says, ‘Men and women alike who appreciate biblical truth detest you.’ Well that can’t be right. Men and women who appreciate biblical truth are actually told not to ‘detest’ anyone. We wrestle not against flesh and blood. We uphold the weak. We bear one another’s burdens. We expose error, yes, but we do not hurl ad hominem at people.
Our enemy is sin. Our enemy is false reporting. We resist the devil. We resist temptation. Since when did we have biblical permission to detest people we disagree with?
Detest: dislike intensely
We win people, or correct people, or love people, but we do not detest them. Even our enemies are to be loved. What does scripture say if we find that someone is overtaken in a temptation?
Galatians 6:1-5 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For each one shall bear his own load.
A spirit of gentleness. So, even if Beth were to have been in some kind of error, there is process, and it has nothing to do with detesting her, nor attempting to round up other suspects who also detest her.
And I wonder if Seth considered himself first lest he was also tempted.
We are to fulfil the law of Christ, which is to love the brethren, and I guess this implies that we have to love the sisters, too, for how can we love the brethren if we say we detest their sisters, mothers, daughters, etc., for any reason whatsoever.
That Pulpit & Pen have allowed Dunn’s posts to remain on their site speaks volumes. Not that we’re advocating censorship, of course. Just sense. Common sense and a Biblical approach.
Gossip ain’t godly, boys
Meanwhile Pulpit & Pen also publish a conversation between Todd Friel and Phil Johnson which is flat out gossip about other Christians uttered behind their backs with no recourse to a response. That’s all you could call it, boys. Gossip. Backbiting. Schism.
You didn’t use scripture. You didn’t qualify your opinionated claims using Biblical texts, as you demand of others. You simply gossiped on air about other Christians.
Try on Psalm 15 for size…
Lord, who may abide in Your tabernacle?
Who may dwell in Your holy hill?
He who walks uprightly,
And works righteousness,
And speaks the truth in his heart;
He who does not backbite with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbour,
Nor does he take up a reproach against his friend;
In whose eyes a vile person is despised,
But he honors those who fear the Lord;
He who swears to his own hurt and does not change;
He who does not put out his money at usury,
Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent.
He who does these things shall never be moved.
Some of the Friel/Johnson interview was gossip aimed at putting down Dr Michael Brown, again. Why? Because, according to them, he is part of their fictional fake NAR and they’re desperate to nail him to that particular cross.
Have we been here before?